I still do not have the time,however, I wish to keep this dialogue open, so I must briefly attempt to answer your questions. But we need to understand what it means to love. No agreed with what they said make them wrong maybe you disagree with some teaching this why you dont agree with them an you comments of they wrong or you wrong we will find out when our father in heaven send our Lord yashua.ww will know whos is the true. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. The Hebrew Roots movement and even 119 Ministries are not cults. Not of works , lest any man should boast . The Holy Spirit opened my eyes to Paul as well, where I no longer feel he contradicts our Savior. The festivals you do not have time for are not Jewish festivals they are our fathers appointed times, they alone contain everything that is the gospel you speak of. And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. Learn the Torah, then the Brit HaDesha will be fully understood in the context in which it was written. His commandments which is strongs H6680 mitsvah meaning the instruction of how we love God & man. So my articles arent all that easy to read. You wrote [w]hat scholars are interested in Thats interesting. They have frequently made it clear that salvation is a free gift offered through YHWHs grace and that following the Torah, the Law, is the natural response of a believer who has been saved by grace. In fact, the ketubah or contract is made at the time of betrothal not at the marriage ceremony. Below, Rodney Griffin shares what that moment when he sat down to pen the words to "Run To The Door.". He tells you straight out he paid his own way. Yes I often have to repent for speaking spanish to people I am around who speak english though they be of hispanic decent How wicked and deceitful our heart can be ..praise God for His Holy Spirit ..even the spirit of truth who reveals all things . I have seen Nehemiah Gordon make that argument, and to the best of my recall, I do not remember seeing you acknowledge Gordon. He has to return for his bride before the marriage covenant is fully in effect. (Pilel) to fall, The MAIN thrust of nearly EVERY religious and non-religious group these days, is to be nice to the Jews aka Zionism, (or COPY the Jews) labelling anyone who will NOT come to the party ANTI-SEMITIC. Some will make the analogy that we are pouring out an ointment to Jesus but if I do the truth ..Jesus did not need a new easter dress nor an easter basket , etc. And how is it wrong to keep the Sabbath that God told us to keep (not Rome) especially when the Apostle are noted in 8 different places in the Epistles of KEEPING the 7th day Sabbath. (paraphrased). Leah, I came across this post during a search. What was this supposed to do for me Randall? Which day is the sabbath ? The woman begs him again & he responds saying it is WRONG to take the bread of the children & give it to the dogs. We can safely assume & see where God taught Adam & Eve and it was passed down thru the family, to those who followed God to Abraham and beyond. To properly discuss the Torah as the law of God, one must first define which Torah (instruction) and which covenant are being discussed. It is very humbling. Or do you believe this is an acceptable interpretation of the Word of God? So sad to have their mind so turned around. The only Scriptures possible at that time was the Tanakh (OT) as the NT was not even in existence yet. Christians were first introduced by God in Acts 11:26. That means, unarguably, that the moon determines the weekly sabbath, not a manmade Roman calendar invented AFTER the life, death and resurrection of Yahushua. and His laws which is strongs H3384 torah meaning Gods direction and instructions that men follow. And as we see the proponents of the New World Order doing everything in their power to destroy our religious liberties and shut our mouths, fighting among ourselves serves only to give ha-Satan the victory. Because after all we can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens us right? AND, they will so piously, (due to being CARNAL and not spiritual) expect Jesus to let them in because He says, Whenever you did/did not do it for the least one of My followers, you did/did not do it to Me. When those of the same mindset as I are moved beyond the salvation and concerned with our works only when coupled with faith. No matter how they try to spin their teaching, it is false teaching! Because it was only meant for HIS followers. http://biblelaw101.com/ShouldLeviticus1818BeUnderstoodasProhibitingP-3.html. I must have misunderstood your initial point in your post. The final note, since we are talking about 119 Ministries error Heres another very challenging rebuttal where, as much as feminized western culture may not like the topic, I demonstrated that 119 Ministries took the man pleasing (or, woman pleasing) way out instead of stiffening their spine and actually answering the topic from Scripture as they used to do I guess they dont Test Everything anymore. The question came to the question of capital punishment in the Law. All using the same world owlam. Thus Jesus admonition ..He that seeks to save his life , will lose his life . If you love the father you will desire to fulfill his will everyday. Since we no longer have a temple or a formal priesthood, these arent valid. Im not saying that by keeping the Law we are saved. Its not easy, but I feel blessed whenever the truth is brought before my eyes. !! ( works of love demonstrations of love ..Jesus said he did not come of His own volition but God sent him ..God took action ..He did something because He cared but oh did it have a cost ! Notice how the reference is to God being a husband to them? But I will give it a read when I can. Just a heads up for you Leah Tovia Singer is an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi (Outreach Judaism.). NO, devil-worshipping, unrepentant, worldly JEW will EVER be the least one of My followers UNTIL they repent and are born from above. You will actually see the Torah come alive. Make sure that you truly know exactly what your saying? James is right. 119 Ministries is continuously working on trying to minimize our costs and maximize our output to deliver teachings efficiently and as quickly as possible. May the hand of YHVH keep us safe! Your allegiance is not to the Scriptures; its to your fringy male supremacist views that you try to force INTO the Scriptures. There are a number of Baptist and Pentecostal assemblies across North America who have made the transition on their own by inspiration of Holy Spirit to their Ministers / Pastors and pockets of people in the congregation that got things started. Brandon assured him that stoning as commanded by the Law can only take place under the existence of the Temple and corresponding judicial system. 3 and the entire book of Hebrews a few times for further clarification. The Word also tells us that there will be a great FALLING AWAY (APOSTASY) in the end times. If they have encouraged anyone to search the scriptures, then they have been successful. You sound arrogant and demeaning all at the same time in your above speech and I take issue with it. 6 See, it is written before me; I will not be silent until I repay them; I will repay them to the full, 7 your own crimes and those of your ancestors together, says ADONAI. God has an authority structure that even He almost never violates. Jesus says himself he was only sent unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Ill just note repost from Antonio: Is that alright? So what Christ said will be true, many who profess to love Christ will be rejected by him. I will not argue, name call etc i have the same conclusions in many of the same issues 119 presents. God has no intention of deceiving his creation only Satan and his minion deceive and will deceived men into thinking they are doing the work of God until Satan is bound for a 1000 yrs. Hi Herb ..never been to a messianic Jewish assembly but familiar with someone who has . In fact, Kefa told the Sanhedrin, flat out, that is better to obey God than man. However, it can be summed up in a couple words. The Law came 430 years AFTER the promise to Abraham; meaning there was NO LAW at the time of Abraham and it is at that position that we as believers in Christ are grafted inNOT based on lawbut by means of a promise.. The reason why there is so much discussion and disagreement on this blog is because Jesus is not the Messiah and the New Testament is not the inerrant word of God. Come and walk around the east coast city I live in with me and you will SEE how an experiential walk with the living new covenant Torah is like. From their video "What is the Gospel, part 1 "The message in the instructions of Christ is also taught in the week of unleavened bread. I havent been on my computer yet all day so Im not sure if it is different. Well, in all honesty, I couldnt care less what you think of me. OUT OF LOVE, not out of earning salvation >>>please stop suggesting thats what people are doing in trying to keep Gods instructions. And the things Ive written are detailed, because its the details that 119 keeps twisting. Nuff said. 32 For God has shut up all mankind together in disobedience, in order that he might show mercy to all. (Hithpael) Heavy Burdens. Clearly, God set that down in front of me.This is where freedom in Christ is the most gorgeous thing in the new covenant (not really; Jesus himself is, but I digress). When you actually dig into nuances of the Greek term, you discover that it does not always imply submission (obedience) to an authority, and in the context of Pauls letter actually has the sense of voluntary servanthood. Ive seen so many changes in the last 3 decades in Christendom. Furthermore, I think the churches in this area would be unaware and unprepared in answering the errors. Tagged: 119 ministries, hebrew roots, hebrew roots cult, hebrew roots movement, hrm, jim staley, michael rood, torah observance, torah observant . So there goes that. Peter was such a dear saint ..he had humility when Paul called him out. Again, I ask Why does 119 Ministries present only two choices? LOL Sabbath is the 7th day. My only aim is to discern truth in the presentation of the gospel of Jesus Christ and avoid false teaching. I am HAPPY to be a little one and not a MEGA Preacher, IMPORTANT: Lot ESCAPED to a place called, Zoar which means: INSIGNIFICANT. He told me that any time he challenged his professors with these truths he was given failing grades on term papers because he wasnt towing the line of his denominational doctrine. THAT fits more with the definition of a cult than where people are free to question doctrine and prove their point with the very Scriptures the doctrine-pushers are ignoring. what is the date for the last 7 sabbath year? He has ALREADY bought us a better hope with better promises due to His New Covenant blood offered in heaven for our eternal redemption! If the Hebrew Roots Movement has a human origin, then it will collapse. Look up the word Ruach in Hebrew, its breath not the 3rd person I dont worship Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz. First is the blueprints. You mentioned Rom. We are no longer under the Law now that Jesus has come. I am in agreement. not on tablets of stone, not with ink, not of the letter. . (Renewed because the Greek is kainos not neos. The Covenant is new, Salvation Through Jesus (Death Burial Resurrection) and identifying with Jesus by the renewing of our spirit (Water Baptism, Infilling of the Holy Spirit). Sean, Then there is the construction of the building. I am willing to discuss these things, even correspond outside this forum. I have heard however Christians say you are not saved if you do not dress a certain way, or guilt people into keeping a levitical commandment of tithe paying so they can keep their country club lifestyle (by the way something Paul taught against ) read Hebrews sometime. I trust we all agree that the Hebrew word torah is not exclusively defined as the unchanging written law of Moses previously passed orally from generation to generation. I like antichrist perspectives so I am more informed on what the enemy is up to . There was a whole faring community of just under 1000 people who lived that reality. A third choice is to interpret Pleroo in the sense of accomplishing, completing, filling, making full, FULFILLING. It paints a clear picture of what Christ did. Was he lying when he wrote the following? This revelation is crucial for a relationship with our Messiah, good and great Chief Shepard. This is to accuse Yeshua of idolatry. So Leah, Ill leave you with this question. Get a taste for the real calling on Adam then we can talk. Jesus is pushing her away with these words, seeing if she will be put off by them. 2018 Copyright Tim McHyde All Rights Reserved, Print page cleanly (Javascript must be on). 11 For the Scripture says, Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed. 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved. Having an open mind doesnt mean having a hole in my head so that my brain can leak out. Your own hand must be the first one on him in putting him to death, and afterwards the hands of all the people. Amen. So Ill trust Jesuss straightforward words above what people who dont understand Paul claim Paul says and then build doctrines around Pauls words that contradict Jesus himself. He was a tent maker. In order for this to take place, certain rules and requirements must be met. 19 So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot (commandments) and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. What they fail to realize is that we didnt create the separation between Israelites and gentiles (goyim, in Hebrew). Because the point is? I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. Remember your dear Peter said Moses preached the gospel in the wilderness, I urge you to ask yourself how did he do that, what exactly was that. From all I can tell there is just a deception that falls over someone & they accept things they never would normally. Please, I implore you to read the whole study. No?well just what do you think it means to not be under the law? Now if you were in my realm of influence and you took notice that I did not and others around me did not eat Pork or that we did not partake of the Pagan Festivals, I would simply educate you on what the scriptures fully say on the matters. (others have different spellings and pronunciations for his name, same as for the Father, Yahuah). Im going to be nice and assume that youre simply ignorant because you dont know how to engage in serious biblical study instead of assuming that youre being intentionally dishonest. Who is Israel? God Himself declares the timing and intention of the new covenant. Who is Israel? . I believe this interpretation to be correct and supported by the very subject of the scripture in question. BUT they will KILL us (the REAL Israel) at the drop of a hat and smugly snuggle up together under the One World Banner, together committing adultery with the harlot of Revelation! Consider that Moses was righteous in the eyes of Elohim. As a case in point, my familys freedom story can be summed up like this: we were raised in charismatic denominations and were christians (one PK, BC) for 25+ years, left church 5 years ago (always hated it); about 6 months ago, the wife asked why we follow some commands and reject others (OT); then we Googled christian doctrines, etc and stumbled upon several pagan-christianity documentaries (some secular, some christian) and we literally went from absolutely loving christmas and easter to abhorring them practically overnight. I thank thee Lord that I am not like the deceived Christians that do not follow your law . David will be in the kingdom and liars thrust out. Faith without works is dead. I believe that YHWH doesnt make mistakes and there is absolutely no flaw in the modern method. -Matthew 11:25, 21 At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said, I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. These other ministers of the Gospel are very quick to show their true nature in the way they present themselves just like a wolf venomously biting and ripping into the flesh of other believers. The Catholic Church changed His laws and His statutes. Before the videos, though, an illustration demonstrating that Wilber, McKee, and 119 Ministries do not understand submission or servanthood.. It is absolutely about salvation for I am afraid where this will lead ..support of secular Israel and the rebuilding of the temple and animal sacrifices rebuilding what was destroyed and replaced ..forsaking the substance for the shadow and calling it sanctification . Jesus was not issuing a new commandment he was fully teaching the already existing teaching that was always the intention, its just the people were/are missing the full Spirit/Heart of the Law. 9 is very clear that Paul himself said to a Jew I become a Jew; to those under the Torah I become as if under Torah, though I myself am not under Torah. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. Ask the Lord to reveal the lies so you arent swayed. There is no place in civil court for Gods people. Read the Gospel of John, second chapter. And Im also referring to a large percentage of church and ministry leaders? Please read the word, understand before you spread confusion and bitterness. HERESY OF 119 MINISTRIES February 27, 2013 By pastormikehoggard A few of the heresies of 119 Ministries. I, like the Bible prophets of old, am serving the God of Israel, the God of my Hebrew ancestors, while many of you run the risk of being deceived into serving the god of the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church; a political organization which claims to have the power to add to and subtract from the Holy Scriptures, much like the scribes and the Pharisees of Yeshuas day with their Traditions of the Elders. (3) But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. 2. of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish For many centuries, Christians have been wrongly taught, thanks primarily to Replacement Theology, that in order for my people to accept our Messiah, we had to become Gentiles by adopting their ways, which usually went completely contrary to what the Torah teaches. Sean, what do you think? Please pray for my husband that Holy Spirit will reveal His truth as he has been watching 119 ministries and I am concerned ! I have Read Tovia Singer and follow him and his current opinions, It is too bad you reject Yeshua and Tovia as well. So there are many more examples but you get the point that Gods law/torah/instruction has been present from the beginning to the end of time & continues into eternity. For example Jesus says you have heard it said it is against the Law of God to commit adultery, but I say if you even look at a women with lust you have ALREADY committed the act. We view ourselves as a para-church ministry, coming alongside the . The title says Dont Be Under the Law, but their concluding statement says, Before we jump to pointing fingers and calling certain people deceivers, we must examine the teaching and heart extensively. 119 Ministries has LOST. Your message is based on a theme of defeatism and pessimism that the Gospel will not be successful in winning the world for Christ. They contain some things that are hard to understand, things which the uninstructed and unstable distort, to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. Eating clean followed shortly after when the family fully woke up and decided to simply love Him and obey Him they way He asked us to. The speakers are just men. Pray diligently to understand that Paul did not speak of the law of God as being bad to be under but that it was the law of sin and death (again, context is key). Because no ministry or blog author will be standing with you on judgment day. -Luke 10:21, And regarding the at least they will still see heaven No they wont. Then contact 119 ministries. a network of Satan-worshiping cults Yes, Ive read Galatians years ago in a home Bible study we looked at it, and a couple years ago from knowing who exactly the Galatians were and looking at the context of the Galatians in its entirety and found it says much the opposite because we are Israel through Christ and the in-grafting. It is a blessing and joy to encounter Gods Word with deeper thought and earnest deliberation. We do it out of love and appreciation for what He did for us and because of that salvation we choose to do what honors Him (if you love me keep my commands, said Jesus. They talk about salvation, yet they dont know what they need saving from. And while I applaud 119 Ministries for their teachings, I think that we should all continue to follow their wise advice and test everything they say against the backdrop of Scripture, just as the Bereans did when they listed to Rav Shaul (Apostle Paul) preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom in the towns that he and Luke visited. Its all about context, Leah. Also, Id be very interested in collaborating with you on some other debasings of 119 ministries. Its simply an exercise in futility. Because of its use in other places in the Gospels the meaning is all those alive at that time. Youre comment about being found spotless when Yashua returns is true. Ive run out of time and so am unable to address other points made. It is all aboutYehova. They see NOTHING different with church and the world at large. In my opinion. It supported them, along with some of the sacrifices that were made. To do the commandments of the Father. Many Churches teach that only their members will inherit eternity (Mormons, JWs, and many others as evidenced here). And while your comparison of Sunday worship and Mithraism is very good it detracts from my main point. 5 They say, Keep your distance, dont come near me, because I am holier than you. These are smoke in my nose, a fire that burns all day! Obviously not but nobodys attacking them anymore. But the Holy Spirit can instruct *my heart* & others in the moment, at a heart level Torah cannot ever reach, because Jesus came to make this part of how the new covenant works. 5:12) Thats just what I interpreted from your post. On my phones email it does take me directly to the new comment. So why then, would 119 Ministries be deceiving people, if theyre trying to help people follow the Bible better? Show me the scripture where he says we can show him love any way we want including the way the pagans worship their false gods. I tried to deny it several times. You obviously do not understand. Turn in your bible to Genesis 26:4-5 and note that God is speaking in this passage, And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.. Jews have ALWAYS been part of Israel! So when looking at matters of Torah, we should look at the laws, not as textual dispensations, but as a literal lawbook. Re: Lexical aids. At this point, you may say, Well thats your opinion! and merely claim that this is a disagreement of conclusions. But I say, Yes, this is my opinion. These are things of God I will not chastise you for not partaking. Were you being sincere, or sarcastic? John Campbell, I have read your postings and I only come up with questions What do you mean when you say Jesus Fulfilled Torah? As far as the 119 leadership, I do not know any of them personally. Rather, much to the contrary! But please dont let that deter you! Just LOOK at what JESUS says in Matthew 5:17-18: Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Why is it when people start observing the original Sabbath and the Feasts of God that are so intricately tied to prophecy about Jesuss first and second coming (nowhere is it stated in the Bible theyre just for Jews) those people get labelled as being in a cult? Sean .I realize I am going to give an account for my every word . And I DO NOT observe the Tanakh in order to be saved, but because I am saved and I want to show the God of Israel how much I love him through my obedience. Using minimal staff aids our efforts to effectively deliver free quality teachings to all. Further on in the timeline of Matt. high priest give sacrifices for their sins CONTINUOUSLYyear after year.Yahshua/Jesus did it ONCE AND FOR ALL.HALLELUJAH. I am I believe a pretty orthodox believer ..not protestant , nor catholic per se. Two different Covenants with Israel running in parallel. So why do I believe 119 only gives the two choices in presenting their belief? Heres what it says: religion in its most comprehensive sense, includes a belief in the being and perfections of God, in the revelation of his will to man, in mans obligation to obey his commands, in a state of reward and punishment, and in mans accountableness to God; and also true godliness or piety of life, with the practice of all moral duties. To take a view that somehow the Church Fathers were teaching to remove all things Jewish from a way of life would be a serious error and leads to a path of replacement theology. As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord as Christians! I do not know nor can I know what it has cost you to follow the Lamb of God but it has cost me more than you could know . Do you even know where to look? And 119 Ministries is presenting false choices which limit ones path to the truth. That defines a false teacher. Wow, I knew I heard this type of response before. We bow to Him and kneel in His presence. Torah was passed on orally. And as long as you keep studying the Scriptures with a Greco-Roman mindset, you will always miss the mark and you will always misunderstand what those of 119 Ministries are saying regarding the very biblical phrase: test everything. If you love me you will keep my commandments, he also said I bring no new commandment, and only say what my father has already said. Last night, my wife and I had a pleasant dinner at a small local seafood restaurant. 4 In him was life, Neos refers to new in timeline; which along with intent of author and specific and General context of all Scripture, will provide Hermeunitical tools to use to come to proper Biblical exegesis.. It is this last centurys experiment of allowing women to teach and preach that opens the same door into liberal theology that suffrage and no fault divorce opens into economic and familial collapse. I have seen many people who call themselves believers and live like the world; they are not set apart by any means and they continue in sin = they trample on the grace of God for occasions of the flesh over & over again. So lets get back to something to think on.. I truly seek to discern the truth in the teachings of 119 Ministries. You never know whats gonna happen! The problem is neither side could provide in context scriptures to support their claims. My name is Lisa and I would not like to be called anything else but the name I was given at birth. In other words they say, Torah must be followed completely, but then follow that up with, But these we dont follow because xyz. That hugely invalidates their claims. The truth of the matter is you really dont even follow what is taught by your Protestant evangelical fathers, because they never followed their own teachings either. (another incorrect interpretation there in most Bibles with kamlos (camel) being a MISPRINT of kamilos, meaning rope or cable. Jesus did everything perfectly in a way those disciples understood. Thank you for your clarification. 2 Cor. He did it for His reasons. Go study all of Jesuss teachings then ask yourself, WHY do the majority of his teachings come directly from the Torah? Dont follow the words of a man. I will repay, Believers are to have faith AND obey Gods commandments, which includes observing His sabbaths (BTW the sabbath is not just about going to church on Saturday) and His feasts which are Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Atonement, Tabernacles, etc. I also detest comments like their teaching rips families apart I am quick to point out that the teaching they publish is of the word of God and at the heart of the matter is to be in alignment with the teachings of God. Love your neighbor and in doing so you fulfill all the law! They are the ones Im giving your now. That is what fulfilling it means. But yes Moses believed in the Gospel preached in the wilderness. We might say we are all members of a Cult if we follow God and Jesus In fact, a true Judaizer is more interested in my observance of the Talmud writings than in my observance of the written Tanakh (OT): see Matthew chapter 15 and Mark chapter 7.
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